Monday, June 15, 2009

I'm sorry... artificial sweeteners WHAT?

A guy has celery sticking out of one ear, lettuce out of the other, and a zucchini up his nose. He goes to the doctor and asks him what's wrong. The doctor tells him, "Well, for one thing, you're not eating right."

The CrossFit Nutrition Cert with Robb Wolf and Matt Lalonde was eight hours of science-y diet goodness. And the best part was that I learned nothing new. Okay, that's not true at all. I learned LOTS of new stuff, like why artificial sweeteners are bad (because they cockblock fat loss - that's a quote, people), what high triglycerides indicate (insulin resistance) and how to translate Zone blocks to calories (you don't, actually, which is kind of the point). But I didn't learn any brand new concepts. Nothing jumped out at me as startling information, and there was no point where I thought, "Holy shit, I have not been doing that." Which is a very good thing, for both me and the people who pay me to tell them what to do.

I did manage to ask a few of your questions directly. The "cheat day" question actually deserves its own post - I'm drafting one up now. I am picking Matt's brain about the scientific value of incorporating "cheats" into your diet, and I'm going to lay my own theories and concepts out there to help give you a better strategy to maximize the effective of your nutritional plan while still maintaining a happy balance.

As for Karen's question: "I seem to remember in Mathieu's Science is Hot post, he recommended that some people should NOT have a post workout (PWO) meal to maximize insulin sensitivity. When would he recommend to a client to NOT have a PWO meal, and what would be the criteria for determining this?" Karen, you're right. Matt did say during our first interview that a PWO meal isn't necessarily for everyone. And I got the chance to ask him this question in the middle of his Zone lecture. I'm responding below with the information he presented to the group.

If your client is pretty dialed in with their diet - they've been eating Paleo or Paleo-Zone for a while, their quality is good and they have, for the most part, regained insulin sensitivity, then a PWO meal is a great way to put their carbs to work for them and maximize performance and recovery. But not everyone is a great candidate for shoving that many carbs into one meal. For clients with a long history of insulin resistance due to a high carbohydrate, low fat diet, restoring insulin sensitivity is priority number one. You want to focus on food quality (eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch, no sugar) first, and minimize any potential for insulin spikes. For these people, you'd want to do everything possible to get their insulin response back in line... and a post workout meal (where you're sticking half your carbohydrate intake for the whole day) is not the best way to accomplish that goal. In addition, a PWO meal is designed to help you perform and recover better. These clients - overweight, undernourished, carb-addicted and unhealthy based on scientific biomarkers of health - aren't going to be able to perform at ALL until you get their metabolism running again.

So, Karen, it depends on where you or your client is in the process. If regaining insulin sensitivity is priority number one - then skip the PWO meal, for now, and focus on minimizing the insulin response with good food quality and managing proportions and quantity. Once that sensitivity has been regained and new dietary habits have been firmly established (meaning, the person could potentially eat a cup or two of sweet potato and not want to jack a Dunkin' Donuts), then you can start to introduce the concept of a PWO meal. Make sense? Feel free to post follow-up questions, if you've got them.

Penty and Sean, I was not able to ask questions on leptin or hormones (like estrogen or progesterone) that bugger up fat loss. There was so much material to cover, and I couldn't go too far off the rails with 70 people in the room all waiting to get their questions in.

Renee, as far as the acid/base balance goes... I'm not sure if my response helped, and we didn't really delve into the topic at the cert. Send me an email if you have more questions and I can try to sort out the information for you. Dallas is really good with this subject, actually, so I can tap him to help.

So there you have it - I've got a piece of paper that says all the stuff I've been doing - and telling you to do - is, in fact, pretty good stuff. Obviously, they couldn't fit all that on the certificate, of course. Which is a shame. Actually, what I wish it would say is, "Melissa Byers, CrossFit Nutrition Certified. Just do what she tells you." Maybe I'll send Kelly Moore a note about that...

25 people drop some props (leave a comment here):

Jack Gayton said...

I'll have to read the post again tomorrow. After reading "cockblock fat loss" I can't really absorb anything else.

rudy said...

Are all artificial sweeteners equal cockblockers of fat? Do splenda and stevia function the same?

Joey said...

Artificial sweeteners are cockblockers? Fck that noise I'm getting a new wing man.

But seriously... thanks for the info I had hoped to get to that cert as it's only a mere 13 hour drive away but I opted for the gymnastics cert which is in my backyard this weekend.

Thanks for sharing the info, I too love leaving an info session and realizing you've been on the right path all along!

Keep up the great writing Melissa.

Joey

Mark said...
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Mark said...

Hey Melissa,
I went to the Saturday edition and it was a blast. I left with the same feelings you expressed: wow I don't think I learned any new concepts but man do I know more about my previous theories. It was great to finally listen to Robb in person instead of just stalking him on his blog. The two most powerful things I came away with were (1) Gluten is the devil, really, it is (2) With an unweighed/unmeasured Paleo diet, you can get ripped! Which makes sense because if you're eating nature's food, your body will go back to being fit as that's how you would have the best chance to survive in nature. I will be re-reading my many pages of notes for awhile. And Matt is a great guy, you can tell by this quote: "So I was in lab and I asked the guy next to me if he wanted to drink some of my nut butter, as I drank coconut milk out of the can. Yeah, he doesn't like me."

Melissa Byers said...

Rudy,

In a word, yep.

Paraphrasing from a study by Purdue University: Why would a sugar substitute backfire? Sweet foods provide a “salient orosensory stimulus” that strongly predicts someone is about to take in a lot of calories. Ingestive and digestive reflexes gear up for that intake... but when false sweetness isn’t followed by lots of calories, the system gets confused. Thus, people may eat more or expend less energy than they otherwise would.

In summary, artificial sweeteners (like Splenda, Stevia, etc.) can trigger the SAME insulin response as real sugar. The body tastes something sweet and doesn't know the difference.

In addition, though we didn't talk about this at the cert... there is a mental component as well. If I've got someone struggling to get off the crack (a high carb, low fat diet), the last thing I want them to do is maintain the same level of "sweet stuff" in their diet, regardless of where that sweet stuff is coming from. I make these clients cut all sugar sources, including Splenda, dried fruit and other "tastes like candy" foods and drinks for the first month of their program. I need them to reset their brains, and Splenda isn't going to help them do that.

Does that help?
Melissa

Melissa Byers said...

Mark, I'm sorry I missed you! Matt IS a great guy. I've visited his lab at Harvard... and got straight-up HIGH from all the ether in the air. I don't know how that kid isn't functionally retarded with all those chemicals floating around, but it just seems to make him smarter. And cooler.

AND... I see I'm not the only one who has rediscovered the joy of the word "cockblock". My goal is that everyone commenting today finds a way to work that word into their post. Even you, Mom.

Melissa

dawn said...

Associating "cockblock" with diet coke will be very useful in avoiding it. Thank you!

Stabs said...

errrm cockblock?

Melissa - Thanks for taking the time to ask my question. At my seminar, it had seemed that the underlying assumption was that most people should be doing a PWO meal, which apparently is not the case. So, it's noted, improve food quality and maximize insulin sensitivity before instituting any sort of PWO meal!

-Karen

Penty said...

No worries on not getting to my question, I'll work up an email with assocated links and shoot it off to Robb.

Rory said...

Looking forward to the post on cheat days. I'm curious if there was any mention of the Anabolic Diet, which I believe is basically low-carb paleo 5 days and then eat whatever the hell you want on the weekends.

Melicious said...

Good lord. Gluten? Gone. Dairy? Out. Sugar? Out. Splenda? Out. You're taking all my tasty chemicals, Moxy. ;-)

This morning my friend said, "I've heard stone soup is really tasty."

Scoobi-dont said...

I myself still use that term quite often. However, I am not P.C. in any way, shape or form, so maybe thats why... anyway.... Maybe I dont quite understand the full definition of the PWO meal or the purpose, but I have always been under the impression that some sort of meal within 30 mins of being done is important, no matter what your insulin sensitivity. Not necessarily high carb, but definitely protein and calories...is this a "mens-health myth" that I need to cut loose? Am I totally missing the point to the PWO meal?

Jason Struck, RKC said...

it looks like you're having fun Melissa.

I am paying a lot more for a bunch of crap.

Thank you university/ACSM.

the ACSM is the cock-blocker of anything even remotely worthwhile.

dawn said...

In addition to Mark's comment about Gluten...

I have a friend who has a facial dystonia, a.k.a. a sever facial twitch on half of her face which includes her eye, cheek and mouth. About 2 weeks ago she stopped eating any grains (trying to be more Paleo with her diet) at her next appointment to have her twitch checked it showed great improvement. Her chiropractor thinks the two are linked, so we hope to see more progress.

Melissa Byers said...

From Matt:

"Your clients who are wondering about leptin and fat loss should check out Staffan Lindeberg's website

http://www.staffanlindeberg.com/

Lindeberg worked with Cordain and then did some work with leptin and lectins in his independent career."

Melissa Byers said...

Oh - and Scoobi...

The "PWO Meal" I've been referring to has a specific connotation, which is outlined by Robb in his "42 Ways to Skin the Zone" article. In this context, you slam 1/2 your total day's carbs immediately following your workout. That, for all the reasons stated above, may not be a good idea for everyone.

However, eating something after your workout is always a good idea, according to Matt. He says, "If someone is worried about fat loss/insulin sensitivity, they can forgo the carbs in the post workout and have a small snack (1 block protein, 1 block fat) instead. Again, this is NOT for optimum recovery and firebreathing performance, it is for the sake of body composition only. The post workout meal should be had as soon as possible, whether you are eating protein, carbs and/or fat."

Hope that helps.

Chelsea said...

Can't wait to read the cheat day post!

I just threw all of my cockblocking splenda into the trash...it's better this way.

Jill P. said...

I guess this includes gum too..
p.s. Is wine a total cock block as well???

Alfredo E. said...

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Roelant said...

Melissa, can you email me the link to that study at purdue? (Go boilermakers! sorry...went there)

roelant

Melissa Byers said...

In case anyone else is interested:

A Pavlovian Approach to the Problem of Obesity (as published in the International Journal of Obesity)

and

A lighter Purdue News article discussing the study, and findings.

Also, Google. Because there are plenty more where this came from. Is anyone else as horrified as I am to discover this study was first published in *2004*?!?

Melissa Byers said...

And here's a more recent article. Also, please note, I'm not a scientist. I know better than take things I read on About.com as gospel, but I have no idea if the Endocrine Society is a really solid source. I DO know that the information here parallels what Robb was talking about at the cert. So... read, research and judge for yourself.

chef said...

Hey Kevlar Sock Woman,

The essence of the PWO carb spike is to take advantage of the preternatural insulin sensitivity that is available right after supra-maximal effort. That's well and good, but take advantage of it FOR WHAT is where lies the 'should ya' or 'shouldn't ya' end of that biscuit, at least for most CFers.

If your looking to shuttle those BCAAs into your hungry muscles to afford some growth, go for it. If you main goal, like the divine Ms. Byers suggested, is to mitigate body fat storage and reset a wigged out insulin roller coaster, then the process of eating a snack that avoids the carb bomb is the shizz. I would argue that the inherent down regulation of post workout cortisol release and the up regulation of leptin that accompanies SOME carbs post workout is a good thing... soooooo... have a good mixture of a quality protein source, some good fats and a wee bit o' carbs. In short, eat something 'normal'.

I think, as Kazantzakis put it, 'we educated people are just empty headed spirits of the air' and over think this just a wee bit too much... in the end, its pretty simple.

ps: cockblock. thangyouverymush.

Cletus said...

Damn Diet Coke.

As I understand it, glucagon is the hormone responsible for converting fat to glucose. Artificial sweeteners trick your body into behaving as if carbs are on the way, inhibiting the production of glucagon, preventing you from burning fat.

If that's not bad enough, artificial sweeteners still cause the cephalic phase insulin response, which ultimately leads to your bod wanting more sweet stuff. It's a vicious cycle.

What diet soda has to do with dieting, I do not know.